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Related to my reaction to Basic Accounts going away:

danah boyd, also on the board, not happy:
http://danahboyd.livejournal.com/1396.html

"theljstaff" replies:
http://news.livejournal.com/106909.html
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[User Picture]From: scsi
2008-03-14 12:35 am (UTC)

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Sometimes I wonder if the head-up's at LJ sit around and say "How can we piss off our members now" or "Whats the absolutely worst way to do this".
:\ I miss the old Danga days, but you would of jumped off a bridge if you continued to run LJ. :(
[User Picture]From: cainmark
2008-03-14 08:45 pm (UTC)

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Totally agree with your first sentence.
[User Picture]From: wcu
2008-03-14 12:36 am (UTC)

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ouch. what a weak reply from theljstaff too.

the backlash begins..
[User Picture]From: separated
2008-03-14 12:37 am (UTC)

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[User Picture]From: separated
2008-03-14 12:38 am (UTC)

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i should stop being so obnoxious.
From: seeds_of_peace
2008-03-14 12:38 am (UTC)

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who writes the ljstaff updates?
[User Picture]From: jproulx
2008-03-14 12:43 am (UTC)

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The LJ Staff of course!

Oh wait, I can guarantee no one on that page wrote that garbage news post.
[User Picture]From: avatraxiom
2008-03-14 12:43 am (UTC)

Cowards and KGBs

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"The LJ Staff". That's like "The Voice Of The People"--perhaps there's some old Soviet influence at SUP? :-)

I've been entirely drama-free, personally, in the whole history of LJ. I understand the need for people to make the business decisions they deem right. But hiding oneself behind a "we are the group" moniker is something I object to.

-Max
[User Picture]From: crabbyolbastard
2008-03-14 12:52 am (UTC)

Re: Cowards and KGBs

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LJ Staff, the next Pravda!
[User Picture]From: dewline
2008-03-14 01:13 am (UTC)

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That post that leads off the last link does seem like boilerplate straight out of PR 101 classes of maybe ten years ago. Or ManagerSpeak of today. I'm not entirely sure as to which.

By the way, I'm led to understand you started this particular ball rolling? It's been good to me for the last 3 years, for all the craziness I've seen outbreaks of on occasion, so I owe you a thank-you for that.

Here's hoping the new management gets the best hints and runs in the correct direction with them in future.
[User Picture]From: odontomachus
2008-03-14 01:19 am (UTC)

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I cannot think of a better time and place for this icon.
[User Picture]From: hdofu
2008-03-14 01:43 am (UTC)

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Their reply makes me feel the same as most customer support agents reading off a list... which makes me glad that Dogfish head makes a stout that is almost 20% ABV



Bless you Dogfish Head!

Edited at 2008-03-14 01:53 am (UTC)
[User Picture]From: kvance
2008-03-14 02:15 am (UTC)

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Whaaaaat.

That looks really familiar, but I can't remember if I've had it. Dogfish bottles all look the same.
[User Picture]From: girl_on_a_stick
2008-03-14 02:02 am (UTC)

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"We're still working out how to strike just the right tone when communicating with such a diverse and complex collection of communities."

. . .

Who writes this crap?
[User Picture]From: ladylynx
2008-03-14 08:33 pm (UTC)

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How much did you get from Elliot Spitzer?
[User Picture]From: one_cup_of_tea
2008-03-14 02:28 am (UTC)

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Question:
Does the guy that wrote the News post speak english as a first language? Because it sounds to me like he's sticking in a lot of long PR words from a text book to confuse people, but only making HIMSELF sound retarded.
[User Picture]From: shyfoxling
2008-03-14 07:31 am (UTC)

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I have a teacup just like that icon. I think it's been mass-produced so it's not that unusual, but it's still a little odd to see it in an icon.
[User Picture]From: magickaldreamer
2008-03-14 03:16 am (UTC)

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Would I be correct in stating that theljstaff (whoever that encompasses) is incorrect in saying LiveJournal has been run as a business from its humble beginnings?
[User Picture]From: tacofordinner
2008-03-14 09:55 am (UTC)

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Yes, I thought it was created so that us kids in Seattle would know when Patrick was going to Denny's.

I miss the good old days.
[User Picture]From: forgers
2008-03-14 03:56 am (UTC)

dude,

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you'll see you just can't trust those Russians. Trust me.)
[User Picture]From: eqo
2008-03-14 05:32 am (UTC)

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The fact that you're a little bothered by what SUP wants to do with THEIR company is kind of funny. As a friend said, it's like somebody who has sold their home coming back and commenting, "You know, I really hate the tile you put in the kitchen, take it out. EW! What's that? Did you plant roses in the backyard"

You want LJ to remain as it started? Unsell it.
[User Picture]From: imgreen
2008-03-14 05:48 am (UTC)

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...I think it'd be a little bit more like building your home with your own two hands, then selling it to buyers who assure you they love it and want to keep it, only to find out later that they've completely remodeled the inside, killed all the plants you spent years growing in the garden, etc. While it may not be your home anymore, you can still regret and feel sad for how careless the new owners have been with your years worth of hard work, right?
[User Picture]From: garden_hoe21
2008-03-14 05:35 am (UTC)

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Would you be willing to start something from scratch and invite everyone over? And call it, I dunno, lovejournal or some shit. I'm sure you'd find enough volunteers.
[User Picture]From: garden_hoe21
2008-03-14 05:35 am (UTC)

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(and paid users).
[User Picture]From: gimpyprophet
2008-03-14 05:57 am (UTC)

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This whole ordeal makes me quite sad. It's like watching something that I've believed in and supported for years go down the toilet, and I don't even have close to the level of involvement that you've had over the years.

Do you see yourself ever leaving livejournal for something else? I've been contemplating moving my journal over to something else (most likely a wordpress install on my own site), but... there's something about this place I still believe in. I want to hope. I want to dream that it's still the open source, awesomely innovating place I bought a permanent account for.
From: buybasic
2008-03-14 06:12 am (UTC)

buy

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Yet one trick is left to get a Basic account: pay for Paid and cancel it.

I think that Basic accounts are now worth more than Paid ones.
[User Picture]From: pne
2008-03-14 07:44 am (UTC)

Get a Basic Account by cancelling a Paid one

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I would be very surprised if that trick would leave you with a Basic Account -- I'd expect a lapsed Paid Account to end up Plus now.
[User Picture]From: gesundyke
2008-03-14 06:44 am (UTC)

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The icon speaks for itself.
[User Picture]From: dimrub
2008-03-14 07:36 am (UTC)

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Speaking of which, here's a collection of quotes, some of which you are familiar with, ordered more or less chronologically:

http://dimrub.livejournal.com/650861.html

The first Russian quote is from an interview with Andrew Poulson, of October 2006, stating there will be no reduction in the number of free users. The second, and I quote, says: "We realize that you don't find this change [the cancellation of the basic accounts] a very positive one. We hope you realize it is a necessary one in order that the LJ service may continue to grow and be improved."
[User Picture]From: dimrub
2008-03-14 07:41 am (UTC)

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Oh, and a question. Probably everyone realizes by now, that the only raison d'etre of the Advisory Council - is to be a public front for SUP, behind which they will do as they please till there's nothing left of LJ. They do not, and will not heed to the Council, even if it states unanimously, that what they do is wrong. It seems to me that the only thing you can do at this point, that will be of any consequence is quitting. Do you consider quitting?
[User Picture]From: madfilkentist
2008-03-14 10:18 am (UTC)

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The heart of the problem is this: "We're still working out how to strike just the right tone when communicating with such a diverse and complex collection of communities." In other words, their focus is not on conveying information, but on spin.
[User Picture]From: imsaguy
2008-03-14 12:41 pm (UTC)

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I know 'screwups' have happend over several managements, but seriously.. how many times does LiveJournal get to say "oops, we fucked up, we'll do better next time"? I was tempted to go through the past news postings and count, but then I'd have to take my socks and shoes off.

Nothing spanks of arrogance more than "But to make our intentions clear, LiveJournal needs to develop: we don’t intend to undermine the culture of LiveJournal, we intend to invest in it." coming from 'the group'. I read it as "Hey, we bought this bitch, we're going to make money off it how we see fit. Take it or leave it." On one hand, that's their right. On the other, it still pisses me off. We've all made an investment in LiveJournal.
[User Picture]From: lakeguy
2008-03-14 05:48 pm (UTC)

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yes I agree
[User Picture]From: alachicky
2008-03-14 03:26 pm (UTC)

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[User Picture]From: lakeguy
2008-03-14 05:48 pm (UTC)

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just like how MS starting charging for ms chat rooms to keep the pedos away..
[User Picture]From: purly
2008-03-14 07:26 pm (UTC)

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So Brad, any plans to organize an easy to use system that migrates all our old journals to a new blogging platform?
[User Picture]From: imsaguy
2008-03-14 07:32 pm (UTC)

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I'd second that, if nothing else but to have a plan B.
[User Picture]From: beckyzoole
2008-03-14 08:10 pm (UTC)

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I left a comment on page 39 (http://news.livejournal.com/106909.html?thread=69679005#t69679005).

Brad, I have loved the LiveJournal heritage that you built. I have a paid journal, I've bought paid journals for others, I've bought gifts, all so that I can support a site that offers adfree space. It hurts to see what's happening to LJ, and I feel for you.

To those of you guys who say that Brad has no right to complain, that it's like bitching over the tiles the new owner put in your old house:

First, Brad is on the Advisory Board. It's his reponsibility to advise SUP, which includes letting them know when he thinks they've screwed up.

Second, a project this big and life-changing is not the same as a house you briefly own then move out of. It's more like a child. And when you don't own it anymore, it's like an adult child. You may not have legal responsibility, but you never stop caring.

If Brad had a grown daughter who wanted to marry an abusive jerk, he wouldn't be able to stop her, but he'd have every right to tell her she was ruining her life. He'd have a right to feel frustrated and hurt. Just as he may not be able to stop SUP from ruining LJ, but he has every right to tell them what he thinks about it.
[User Picture]From: hdofu
2008-03-15 12:30 am (UTC)

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trouble is she had an uncaring husband before and her current marriage is to an abusive russian.
[User Picture]From: bellatrys
2008-03-15 12:32 am (UTC)

Well, so what?

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You sold out. You sold US out.

Your opinion at this point is worth zilch. No cookies for you.
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