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Sun bundles Yahoo's toolbar with Java. Without commenting on the levels of awesomeness in that, I will comment on their installer text. From their own website,



Note:
  • "Install a free program with the Java™"
  • "Mail Alerts let's [sic] you know when you've got mail."
The Java? Let's?

*sigh*
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[User Picture]From: xaosenkosmos
2008-12-03 07:20 am (UTC)

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Hunch: at Zeitgeist, there's a girl with a nosering and weird ear piercings telling how she snuck that in during her stint at Sun. It was right after her Lit Crit degree, right before getting a hipper job that pays better and is more secure.

Either that, or they let the sophomore intern copyedit the thing.
From: sherm
2008-12-03 07:28 am (UTC)

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Either that, or they let the sophomore intern copyedit the thing.

Probably the English-as-a-third-language sophomore intern at the lowest-bidder offshore dev shop to which they farmed out the MSI development.
[User Picture]From: toastednut
2008-12-03 09:08 am (UTC)

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that sounds about right.
[User Picture]From: calmkelp
2008-12-03 08:02 am (UTC)

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Looks like they already fixed it.
[User Picture]From: brad
2008-12-03 03:57 pm (UTC)

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Not the image. (I never noticed if the page text was also wrong....)
[User Picture]From: calmkelp
2008-12-03 05:00 pm (UTC)

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Ahh, no then I was probably just confused. I was looking at the page text, not the image.
[User Picture]From: ciphergoth
2008-12-03 08:37 am (UTC)

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Nobody fucks with the Java!
From: tom
2008-12-03 08:59 am (UTC)

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Apparently yahoo does :X
[User Picture]From: flipzagging
2008-12-03 09:58 am (UTC)

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I wonder if it's the result of a last minute replacement string that overflowed the box. Sun's branding guidelines state that they must never say things like "We wrote this in Java". They have to say "We programmed this using the Java™ platform".
[User Picture]From: xach
2008-12-03 10:43 am (UTC)

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I also like "By clicking the 'I Agree' button below..." followed by only

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[User Picture]From: granting
2008-12-03 12:21 pm (UTC)

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Welcome to the outsourcing.
[User Picture]From: dossy
2008-12-03 01:57 pm (UTC)

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It must be really hard to do good QA work when there's a Bollywood movie distracting you on TV in the background.

"Install a free program with the Java." Say it with a thick Indian accent. You can totally hear some guy saying it and thinking it sounds just right to him.

Isn't AOL going to go after Sun and/or Yahoo for infringing their "you've got mail" mark?
From: (Anonymous)
2008-12-03 02:01 pm (UTC)

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The text is unfortunate, I agree, but Sun used to bundle the Google Toolbar and Google Desktop with Java... Don't you work there? ;)

See: http://weblogs.java.net/blog/kgh/archive/2005/10/java_se_and_the.html
And: http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:OwibABEG6fAJ:www.sun.com/2005-1004/feature/+google+toolbar+java&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us

Oh, and an image: http://lh5.ggpht.com/pbokelly/Rxs7ZOoxp_I/AAAAAAAAABo/5lHLQiWamHg/JavaGoogle[5].jpg
[User Picture]From: brad
2008-12-03 04:00 pm (UTC)

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I'm not a fan of any bundling or "distribution deals", regardless of the parties involved.

But this post was about poor text.

[User Picture]From: linchiq
2008-12-03 02:15 pm (UTC)

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You know what? Funny that you brought this up. I just downloaded the latest Java on an XP laptop I just reinstalled for work. And it offered me not the Yahoo! toolbar, but the MSN toolbar! I just about fell out of my chair. I really should have screenshot it. As a former Sun employee. I never thought I would see the day where Sun is offering Microsoft products bundled with Sun products!
[User Picture]From: imsaguy
2008-12-04 12:56 am (UTC)

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They have both set up to be offered and one is chosen depending on which has already been offered to you. I discovered this while reading through the installer log one day.
[User Picture]From: shandrew
2008-12-06 07:57 am (UTC)

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There's a ridiculous bidding war that takes place between Google, Yahoo, and Microsoft for bundling toolbar software with any piece of software that wishes to whore its users out to such things.

Same applies to PCs, default search on browsers, and search bars for major web sites.
[User Picture]From: idonotlikepeas
2008-12-03 02:36 pm (UTC)

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You didn't even mention how it tells you what will happen when you click the "I Agree" button below, despite the fact that there is no "I Agree" button.
[User Picture]From: lpetrazickis
2008-12-03 05:07 pm (UTC)

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The first item could be an intentional pun. "The Java" is a synonym for a cup of coffee, and the text is right next to a picture of that.
[User Picture]From: avatraxiom
2008-12-04 02:07 am (UTC)

Ahh, the many scenarios. :-)

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"Oh, but I am very sure to have been doing the proofreading."

or perhaps:

"yes sure i check"

or perhaps:

"Man, dude, I checked the programmer dude's writing like three times, it's all good, get off my back, man."