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Android Developer Phones [Dec. 8th, 2008|11:47 am]
Brad Fitzpatrick
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Get an SIM-unlocked, bootloader-unlocked, kernel-unlocked, fully flashable Android phone for $399, with free shipping in the US:

http://code.google.com/android/dev-devices.html

(plus $25 if you're not already registered as an Android developer, which is probably the case.)

Awesome. This removes one of my ever-dwindling list of Android complaints, that no open phone has been available that matches the openness of the software.
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[User Picture]From: teferi
2008-12-08 07:54 pm (UTC)
The only catch is that since it only has support for the 2100MHz band for 3G, so if you're in the US, you still basically have to be using T-Mobile (AT&T is 1900).
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[User Picture]From: brad
2008-12-08 09:12 pm (UTC)
Oh, bummer.
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[User Picture]From: brad
2008-12-08 09:16 pm (UTC)
Yeah, specs say:

* 3G WCDMA (1700/2100 MHz)
* Quad-band GSM (850/900/1800/1900 MHz)

Looks like out of luck for non-T-Mobile:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Deployed_UMTS_networks#North_America
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[User Picture]From: robbat2
2008-12-08 09:22 pm (UTC)
Crap. Good thing I looked this thread, since none of the CDN providers have that frequency bands.
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[User Picture]From: hub_
2008-12-10 12:19 am (UTC)
Good thing you pointed me to this thread.
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[User Picture]From: fallenpegasus
2008-12-09 12:44 am (UTC)
Well foo!

And I just bought one. I want to put my AT&T sim in it, because then my employer pays my phone bill, but they won't if I go to T-Mobile.

I wonder why that radio was left out. Ignorance, Incompetence, or Malice, and on who's part?
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[User Picture]From: brad
2008-12-09 12:58 am (UTC)
I imagine cost. (not ignorance, incompetence, nor malice)

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[User Picture]From: tiff_seattle
2008-12-21 02:29 am (UTC)
or exlusivity agreements on a particular piece of hardware. htc has plenty of phones that don't have us 3g bands, yet the carrier branded version has such a thing. for instance, the htc raphael and the att fuze.
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[User Picture]From: waider
2008-12-08 10:23 pm (UTC)
Curses, I don't see Ireland on that list. Of course, someone could be conflating the UK and Ireland again...
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[User Picture]From: brad
2008-12-08 10:30 pm (UTC)
Well, have it shipped to Northern Ireland? :P

http://qntm.org/?uk

(sorry, just had to find an excuse to post that link.... I love it.)
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[User Picture]From: waider
2008-12-08 11:46 pm (UTC)
Heh. Actually, he left out the wackiest bit of it; citizens of Northern Ireland can opt to be citizens of the Republic (modulo certain basic requirements, identical to those that apply in the Republic). Let's see that on a Venn an Euler Diagram.
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[User Picture]From: mart
2008-12-09 05:33 am (UTC)

It's a shame that they punted on the crown dependencies. That would have really screwed up their diagram. (They're in Great Britain but not part of the United Kingdom, so Great Britain would have needed to bulge out of the side of United Kingdom, and in some cases even bulge out of British Isles I think.)

Who'd have thought that such a small bunch of land could be so complicated?

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[User Picture]From: obra
2008-12-08 10:32 pm (UTC)
On the upside, the G1's 3G bands have Japan covered. (Verified in person with production hardware)
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[User Picture]From: brad
2008-12-09 01:01 am (UTC)
Be careful. There's reportedly a T-Mobile "MyFaves" background app on the G1 that runs all the time sending "free" service SMSes to T-Mobile for whatever MyFaves is. They're free in the US, but not abroad.... some dude reportedly wracked up a huge bill while traveling overseas with his G1.
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[User Picture]From: dan_lane
2008-12-08 11:15 pm (UTC)
Cunningly announced late enough that anyone who was really enthusiastic about Android development has tied themselves down to a T-Mobile contract and the locked-down T-Mobile version of the G1.

I really hope Google release the development version of the bootloader that I can put on my T-Mobile G1 to get the same openness as the Dev one, even if I have to pay the $25 and agree to it voiding my warranty if I brick it.
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[User Picture]From: brad
2008-12-08 11:22 pm (UTC)
The conspiracy theories are certainly more fun.
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[User Picture]From: dan_lane
2008-12-08 11:35 pm (UTC)
To be fair, it does make perfect business sense when signing a deal with T-Mobile to give them exclusivity for a short period of time.
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[User Picture]From: brad
2008-12-09 01:00 am (UTC)
I have no inside knowledge on this one way or another, but I'd personally just guess the team was busy as hell up until launch and only after launch even started working on this program, just for lack of cycles to work on it prior.
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[User Picture]From: ibneko
2008-12-09 04:47 am (UTC)
Am so tempted. Could I query for your list of Android complaints, so I can decide if I want to spend $425 for a toy to hack on?
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[User Picture]From: brad
2008-12-09 05:28 am (UTC)
It just keeps getting better, and any complaints are fixable with a bit of code. It's worth $425. Great hacking project.
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[User Picture]From: mart
2008-12-09 05:52 am (UTC)

So tempted...

That's the same hardware as the G1, right? The specs page doesn't mention GPS, but other than that it looks the same.

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[User Picture]From: brad
2008-12-09 07:21 am (UTC)
I think forgetting to mention GPS was an oversight. I'm pretty sure I read on some other page them mentioning it's the same hardware.

In any case, I sent off an email letting them know it's not listed in the hardware bullets.
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[User Picture]From: brad
2008-12-09 09:05 pm (UTC)
The vendor is updating the text to include GPS. It was just an omission.
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[User Picture]From: joel
2008-12-09 06:46 am (UTC)

Bah!

I'm holding out for the bootloader-unlocked, kernel-unlocked fully flashable garage door opener.
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From: manuzhai
2008-12-09 09:51 am (UTC)
Well, it's still not as open as the OpenMoko stuff...

But I ordered mine Sunday, can't wait to play.
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[User Picture]From: hub_
2008-12-10 12:30 am (UTC)
But from a phone stand point it is at least quad band (unlike the OpenMockup). The only reason why I use GSM: world wide compatible.

(I'm being devils advocate. I still have a dumb phone)
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[User Picture]From: ebel
2008-12-09 02:29 pm (UTC)
Oh wow, I'm tempted. But I'm in Ireland. :( Might get it shipped to my boyfriend in the UK.
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From: (Anonymous)
2008-12-10 12:19 pm (UTC)

UK Shipping = $175!

So that's: $25 + $399 + $175 = $599 (£400+)

Seriously, what's the deal there?
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[User Picture]From: brad
2008-12-10 05:02 pm (UTC)

Re: UK Shipping = $175!

That's not just shipping... it also includes UK import tariffs.
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From: (Anonymous)
2008-12-10 05:10 pm (UTC)

Re: UK Shipping = $175!

Ah, was wondering.. That's good to know, thanks!
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