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Linux is a Mac? [Aug. 11th, 2000|03:36 pm]
Brad Fitzpatrick
I was browsing the web in Mozilla on Linux (very usable lately!) and I went to download some software and got an error messaging saying it was only available for Windows 95, 98, and NT but a Macintosh version would be out soon so check back in a bit. Heheh ... morons. More people use Linux than Macs I thought.

[User Picture]From: drstrangehair
2000-08-11 04:24 pm (UTC)
actually Mac is the # 1 computer in schools... as well as the # 2 in OS market share... linux IS more stable, untill Mac OS X comes out (based on the Mach Kernel from Unix)... Mac was in the gutter for about 3 years, but when Steve Jobs came back he was able to pull them up, trust me, Macs are here to stay... and once OS X is out, macs WILL take over the linux crowd. Macs ARE already the primary computer in the design/publishing/special effects feild... in fact reports say that ALL the special effects in Star Wars ep 2 are being made on Macs...

To put it bluntly, a Mac can accomplish almost 3 times as many computations in a second than BOTH the intel P3, AND AMD athelon at the same speed... a 500 MHZ Mac is about as fast as a 1.5 GHZ P3... and there are now multiproscessor Macs out, so speed wise they blow Pentium out of the water... the G4 chip is the FIRST personal computer chip that is classified BY THE GOVERMENT as a supercomputer... they BANNED exporting it for a while because they were afraid that some countries would use it for war... no PC company has done that...

Plus, Steve Jobs, and Steve Wozniak (the 2 founders of Apple) are right now the #1 and #3 choices for induction in to the computer hall of fame... Bill Gates isn't even in the top 5...

and Apple is the 16 most LINKED to computer site on the net (according to websmostlinked.com ), as well as wavering between the #1 and #2 most visited computer sites (according to PC data), with over 1 MILLION visitors a month... just thought you'd like to know... I know more Mac stuff than most (not all though, but I DO know Steve Jobs annual salary)
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[User Picture]From: bradfitz
2000-08-11 04:28 pm (UTC)


(-1; Flamebait, Troll)


Seriously though, some of the figures you state (3 times as many computations in a second) are for very specific types of operations.

You sound like every other Mac evagenlist.

Yeah, OS X is cool (I'll probably buy one myself) but it's a little reaching to say it'll take over Linux. Gimme a break. :)
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[User Picture]From: mattrope
2000-08-11 05:57 pm (UTC)

Re: OS X

I think I read somewhere that Apple has done some experimental work to port OS X to the PC. I don't see why the heck Apple would want to do this--as soon as the OS becomes available on PC, Mac users will no longer have an incentive to buy the more expensive hardware from Apple. They can get their favorite OS on cheaper, more readily available hardware.

As for the supposed superior performance of macs, I find this very hard to believe. I agree with Brad that the computational statistics quoted were based on very specific operations and aren't representative of normal computer use. If Macs were truly three times faster than PC's, why would the majority of Linux users be using PC's? After all, there's a version of Linux that runs on Macs (Linux PPC), so the Linux community would quickly migrate to Apple's hardware if it were truly superior...
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[User Picture]From: aaron
2000-08-11 06:40 pm (UTC)


Geeze, i'm not even that bad. No, X won't take the Linux crowd. X will take the Mac Crowd, a good chunk of the Windows crowd..and depending on fate, even Some BeOS people. But Linux Users aren't looking for something as ready to use as X IMO.

As fro Proprietary Hardware, if Apple does release an x86 version (and yes, it's been talked about..there's even a compiled version) It's strength will remain to be Hardware. Apple's always been a hardware company. They can make the OS work better when they know what's in the Box.

I don't have a WHOOLLLE lot of experience with LinuxPPC, but it's not that hot compared to other distributions.
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[User Picture]From: drstrangehair
2000-08-11 07:04 pm (UTC)


true, for very specific computations, but those computations are the VERY computations that intel used to boast the P3 on it's website... the VERY same computations that intel used to show how powerfull it was... plus the advantage of OS X is that basically every program that has been writen for unix and it's various brethren, can become Mac apps with verrrry little adjustments... tests have shown that a Mac OS X server can serve on average twice as many pages as a unix or NT server... and that was from an article in Network World, that hardly EVER mentions Apple (I get Network World at my work)...

now please note that I haven't said that Macs will dominate the computing feild, as each system has it's strong points AS WELL as it's week points... I'm just saying that thinking Macs are less used is absurd... Apple has sold more iMacs than ANY other computer for ANY other company... the iBook IS STILL the most powerfull laptop in it's pricerange (although you lose expandability, I for one can say that I have never felt my iBook wasn't enough)... I'm just saying that most linux users use it for its stability, and usability, and the Mac will soon have both of those, and more... trust me I know how spiffy Mac OS X is...I know what it can and can't do... and let me say this, it is by far the most stable OS I have ever used, as well as being the best looking... email me directly if you are confused as to how I know...
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[User Picture]From: patrick
2000-08-11 08:07 pm (UTC)


what i've noticed with macs is that the company is fantastic with hype. things like the imac, the cube, mac os x, even back in the older days with the power macs and such. they hype and hype and hype. i'm not saying that some of it isn't true, but i'm not going to jump the gun with os x before it's out.
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From: newtrip
2000-09-11 07:05 am (UTC)


BEOS kicks mucho ass, I just wish more people used it... ;-)

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[User Picture]From: smitty99
2000-10-09 10:28 pm (UTC)


Hell yeah Be does ;)

It's my fave OS. I especially appreciate that there's an LJ client for it (that's how I got introduced to the journal in the first place!)
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[User Picture]From: btripp
2000-08-11 04:48 pm (UTC)

Need A Senate Investigation!

Where is a latter-day Joe McCarthy to look into how all those nefarious Macs got into our schools?! IT'S AN OUTRAGE! The Mac has ALWAYS been the favorite or readers of Soviet Life ... and the classic Mac was nothing but a "Lada" for the desk (it cost too much, had only one source for everything from printer cables to software, and was virtually impossible to improvise upon)! No wonder there is the putrid decay of values we see today ... corrupted by Mac infiltration in the minds of the youth!

Plus ... is it any wonder that a computer without a floppy drive is connected to the web? How the hell else are you going to move your files?


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[User Picture]From: drstrangehair
2000-08-11 07:06 pm (UTC)

Re: Need A Senate Investigation!

it's simple... Apple CHARGES schools less for the equipment than PC makers do... Apple gives an discount to schools (and the students of most Universities, if you go through the school store)
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From: sakhas
2000-10-17 03:22 am (UTC)

Re: Need A Senate Investigation!

No... btripp is right... we have a hell of a lot of Imacs at school.... we're the largest high school in the county, and we keep getting new Imacs.... it's really pissing me off! I can't use the damn Imacs because they look so damn funny! The teachers don't know how to use em, and it's pretty damn sad. Plus... it's easier to hack through the security on our PCs, it's actually hilarious how quickly I broke through it in computer class.... as for the Imacs.... ugh. They suck.

As for why there's so many in the schools? Well. They're good, reliable machines, and you don't have to piece them together. It's simple. It's an all in one box. In our case, an all in one ruby box, with the optical mouse and see through keyboard that comes along with it. The PCs are a pain in the ass most likely to the user support specialists, cause there's so damn many of em!!!! Each with components like a sound card and a nic, that if they don't work, it's a bitch to return and get exchanged. As for the Imacs, if one Imac doesn't work, put it in a pile and return them. No components, just a big ugly red box.

As for the price discount, I've heard of Microsoft supplying computers for schools after he goes there and visits or some crap like that. In any case, I dunno. I think I saw on TV somewhere he visits elementary schools and gives free computers. I'm positive as hell he's not gonna furnish our school, with 3,000 kids.... about 200-250 rooms (I forget the number....) and
way too many computer labs. Who knows. Personally, I think Linux is the most stable operating system, and the most efficient. Screw the benchmarks that Intel and Mac put out (I'm talkin bout chips now). I can envision scientists sitting around a conference table making up numbers... "I think we should say it clocks as fast as a PIII 750...", "No... If we say it clocks as fast as an AMD Duron 800, then it'll sound better....", "No you shitheads! Say it's as fast as a P4!". Well. (Back to operating systems) No matter what operating system you use, there's always a problem. Either bugs and instablity with Microsoft, just funky Macs, and the best OSes, Linux and Beos, nobody codes stuff for them, so they're left out just because nobody codes commercial programs for em.... it's all a big sinkhole....
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[User Picture]From: whitaker
2000-08-11 09:22 pm (UTC)


"1 MILLION visitors per month" ... dude, this is the Internet... that's shit. ;-)
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