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Mac OSX [Jun. 4th, 2001|07:14 pm]
Brad Fitzpatrick
I returned my 7 or 8 classics books today and got a whopping $24.00 back. Oh gee.

But, since I was already getting free validated parking there, I went into adjacent computer store and played with both a Titanium G4 laptop and a desktop machine that had OS X on it (which I'd never used before). My reactions to both:

OS X: has potential, but damn was it ever slow! couldn't figure out a lot of things, either. when I finally found the terminal, I couldn't see how do to adjust its transparency. I could hardly read the text. I ran gcc -o forkbomb forkbomb.c and it said, "cc? Okay? [Y/n]" I assume this is a tcsh feature, which I don't use. Silly BSD people ... you know you want bash. But bash wasn't around. Anyway, forkbomb ran, slowed the system down a ton, but it's still responsive under extreme loads. I ran MS IE on it... no internet access was available, but for kicks I tried ... and Apache was running! Woo.

Titanium Laptop: Slick. Love the screen. Keyboard's great. One mouse button, though. :-/

I was thinking that if I get a laptop, OS X might be the way to go, since I could have my unix development environment and my desktop environment all in one, without rebooting. (because at home here I have 3 computers on at once... all being used for different things). However, several things about Apple are still pushing me to get a Dell: 1) that silly apple on the back of the laptop. but maybe the guy at the trophy shop can take that off and put a little hockey player on top. happy, shut the hell up. okay... 2) OSX GUI is too slow. 3) OSX can't play DVDs yet? Pffft.

However, many things push me to get it: 1) sexy lookin', 2) dual purpose (dev + desktop), 3) new operating system to play with and develop for.

I'll probably end up getting a Dell, though.

[User Picture]From: mart
2001-06-04 07:17 pm (UTC)

That is indeed a (mighty annoying) tcsh feature.

The first thing I did when a friend gave me an account on his Mac OS X box was change my shell to bash! :)

I've not used the graphical bit though.. just a ssh login. That's probably better for my sanity anyway.

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[User Picture]From: steve
2001-06-04 07:43 pm (UTC)
WAHOO Happy Gilmore!
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[User Picture]From: oncee
2001-06-04 08:04 pm (UTC)
OS X takes a lot of tweeking to get it to work faster. It's an unfinished OS. Lots of thing don't work yet. But with time, it will become polished and fully finished. OS X need all the developers it can get. I hope you don't get a Dell.
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From: sheehan
2001-06-04 08:09 pm (UTC)


i've never seen you watch a dvd on your computer... why the hell would you want to start on a laptop...

apple = sexy lookin', you need to flaunt it, not "put a little hockey player on top"...

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[User Picture]From: bradfitz
2001-06-04 08:15 pm (UTC)

Re: dvds?

DVDs ... for on planes and on the train to Portland.

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[User Picture]From: visions
2001-06-04 08:24 pm (UTC)

Re: dvds?

dvd support will be added as soon as the licensing issue gets cleared up.
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[User Picture]From: majestros
2001-06-05 07:14 pm (UTC)

Re: dvds?

hey, ive been curious about the DVD issue, i havent heard about this liscencing issue, what is it?
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From: sheehan
2001-06-04 08:27 pm (UTC)

Re: dvds?

read a book...

or the first chapter thereof ;P

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[User Picture]From: twistah
2001-06-04 08:19 pm (UTC)
Hey, isn't MS IE for Mac weird-looking? I guess in the context of OS X it looks like it fits in, but I was using it on an iMac (at school) with OS 8 (or is it OS 9?). a) I didn't fit in b) I was so surprised by the change in GUI. They've even got the whole alpha channel trend going, so you get all that cool transparency. Did you happen to try to close something like a toolbar? It glides in, not just disappears. A lot of new eye candy. Took me by surprise.

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[User Picture]From: dweezil
2001-06-04 08:34 pm (UTC)
I am suprised that you don't want to take the leap to another OS... are you afraid your window friends will make fun of you?hahahaha...

And, if you get sick of OSX, the damn thing WILL run Unix, you know...
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[User Picture]From: aaron
2001-06-04 08:42 pm (UTC)
The OS X GUI is a wee bit slow sometimes. For some reason it's lightning for some and slow for others. It's fairly decent on my computer here. Transparency adjust is not an easy to figure out thing. It's an adjustment of a .plist file (which OS X uses for configuration of Apps.) gcc is replaced by an Apple written cc. That and the Developer tools were most likely not installed. Not sure, but compling tools may not be available in standard install. (Dev tools come on the disc with the machine)

1)That Apple's Good for you
2)Will be fixed soon (we hope)
3)Licensing Issue apparently. Annoying, but it will come soon
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From: ex_nathanr
2001-06-04 09:13 pm (UTC)

tcsh feature? or no?

funny how the when i use tcsh on a bsd box, it never asks me to confirm anything...

i've never gotten used to bash; i dunno why..
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[User Picture]From: whitaker
2001-06-04 09:26 pm (UTC)
Bah, just get a dell and install Linux on it.
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[User Picture]From: aaron
2001-06-05 09:46 am (UTC)

Re: Mac!

I like the iBook too, but I went to go play with one and it's just too darn small for me. I guess I'm not a fan of Sub-notebooks (which surely in terms of size, the iBook fits) I much prefer the $1500 increase in price for the extensive PowerBook. (Well, I don't prefer the price, but I do prefer the PowerBook)
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[User Picture]From: firelegend
2001-06-05 07:36 am (UTC)
I believe Mac Powerbooks are powerful then PC laptops.. My G3 powerbook clocks fast then my 1.3ghz (desktop) dell.. pretty sad.. on dell's part atleast.. or they would prbably blame in on the OS.. blaerghh
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[User Picture]From: bradfitz
2001-06-05 09:09 am (UTC)
powerful ---> more powerful
then ---> than
fast ---> faster
then ---> than
atleast ---> at least
prbably ---> probably
in ---> it

Sorry. I couldn't resist. :)

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[User Picture]From: firelegend
2001-06-05 09:19 am (UTC)
I bet you enjoyed that.
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[User Picture]From: bradfitz
2001-06-05 09:20 am (UTC)
Always. :-)
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[User Picture]From: firelegend
2001-06-05 09:31 am (UTC)
glad I atleast have some entertainment value
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[User Picture]From: blonnie
2001-06-05 11:30 am (UTC)
i -just- got a dell inspiron 8000 with (copy/paste):
Qty Part#     Abbreviated Description
1   461-0846  I8000,Pentium III 900,15 Super XGA+
1   311-4072  256MB,SDRAM,2DIMM,Inspiron, 8000,Factory Install
1   312-0030  LI-ION Secondary Primary Battery 59WHR Inspiron 8000,
1   313-1471  8X DVD/SW,INSPIRON 8000, Factory Install
1   313-1483  Intervideo Software DVD Solution
1   313-7222  Dell Application Back-up CD, Factory Install
1   313-9795  MINIPCI 56K+10/100,Inspiron 4000/8000
1   320-1998  32MB DDR 4X AGP NVIDIA GeForce 2 Go Video, Inspiron
1   340-2729  10GB,Hard Drive,9.5MM,Inspiron 8000,Factory Installed
1   340-8153  Lightweight Floppy Disk Drive, Inspiron
1   412-0619  AOL 6.0 CD for US 
1   412-2108  Image Expert 2000,Dell Edition 
1   412-2901  Dell Solution Center,VS 1.3, Inspiron,WW
1   412-4630  Norton Antivirus 2001,OEM, English
1   420-2296  Windows 2000 SP1 English 
1   412-1200  MS Office Small Business XP,CD with Docs, English,OEM Package
1   412-2356  Microsoft Money 2001 BOEM,CD with Doc,English
1   902-0080  Mail in Service, Initial Year 
1   902-0082  2 Years Parts & Mail-in with Lifetime Telephone based
i love it.. the best computer i've ever hard (until next time ofcourse) and i see now on their website that you can get a free dvd or cdrw upgrade.. boo, i had to pay extra for mine. i could have gotten a 150$ refund but i was so excited messing w/the laptop that i forgot about it until it expired (may 29th!). the screen set is max 1400x1050 and looks best at that resolution. it is -awesome-. however, you'd be surprised how many of the more prominent webpages do not account for a screen size this large.. one would be -hotmail.com-.
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[User Picture]From: majestros
2001-06-05 07:19 pm (UTC)

battery life

remember that a apple laptops get at least twice to four times the battery life of a wintel
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[User Picture]From: fallingforward
2001-06-06 10:53 pm (UTC)

[hypnosis] Get the G4 [/hypnosis]

About 3 weeks after I fully embraced OS X I ended up shutting my Linux box off. I can fire it up when I need it, but that's been rare so far. Now my house is cooler and quieter (my Cube is quiet -and- cool, believe it or not) and I'm saving wear and tear on my chair since I don't keep movin from one desk to the next. ;) OS X is young, but... *gush* I'm hooked and convinced. *nix for the masses, power to da people (and OS X to my powerbook)! ;)

[hypnosis] Get the G4 [/hypnosis]

A girl you don't know who works for that big-assed company in Hillsboro but is still loyal to her Macs.
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[User Picture]From: kalei
2001-06-10 11:01 am (UTC)

Re: [hypnosis] Get the G4 [/hypnosis]

(my Cube is quiet -and- cool, believe it or not)

Yea, just don't put anything on top of your cube. That's a scary thought. If someone were to put a book or magazine on top of one of those, I heard it would overheat in a matter of minutes.

If I ever have multiple boxes/OSes, I'll be investing in a keyboard/mouse switch. Those things are awesome!

Forgive my ignorance, but what company in Hillsboro are you referring to?
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