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craigslist, the drama continues [Jan. 9th, 2006|11:04 pm]
Brad Fitzpatrick

So after I just wrote about my first craigslist posting, drama ensues.

nick had said weeks ago that he wanted my TV if I couldn't sell it on craigslist. But after he helped me move the other weekend we were talking about the TV and somehow there was a miscommunication and he assumed he was getting it. He then went and rearranged his apartment to make room for it.

Meanwhile, ... I post to craigslist and get two replies. One offer for $700, and one for $900. I tell both of them I'm still waiting/thinking. I'd told the $900 guy that, "Yeah, that's probably good, let's just do it." But that's when his offer on the phone was $1050. After he talked to his mom (who the TV was supposedly for), his offer dropped to $900.

Then, Nick emails my aforementioned post saying, "Dude, you're selling the TV? I thought I got it."

$900 guy calls me saying, "Is it mine? Do I get it?" I tell him if he needs an answer immediately, the only safe answer I can give him is "no" because I'm still waiting on my friend who I just found out thought he was getting it but who I couldn't get ahold of and I need to know if he really still wants it. I apologize, etc. I offer to email him if it's still available, but otherwise tell him to move on.

I get ahold of Nick, he does want it still.

I email the guy:
> > Dave,
> >
> > Looks like that other guy does want it. Sorry for the wasted time.
> >
> > My fiance and I are both still convinced this other guy had last said he
> > didn't want it, which is why we put it on craigslist in the first place,
> > but then he rearranged his living room and bedroom in preparation for
> > picking it up this weekend, including rewiring all his stuff. So even
> > though it's most likely his fault for the miscommunication, we still feel
> > bad enough for him that we're letting him have it anyway. :/
> >
> > Again, my apologies.
> >
> > - Brad
He writes back:
> Brad,
> I don't know who tells a better lie, you or your fiance. I talked with both
> you and your fiance and there was never a mention of a friend possibly
> wanting this tv. When I talked with your fiance after 3:00 P.M. today she
> accepted my offer of $900.00. She said it is yours and that you would call
> me tonight to give me your address,. Either your fiance has a very poor
> memory or you accepted a higher offer. I don't liked to be lied to. Why not
> just say that a total stranger offered you more money. If this was truely a
> friend you wouldn't refer to him as this other guy. I made arrangements as
> well to pick this t.v. up I don't know if this is your first time using
> craigs list but you never do what you just did to me. I will write up a
> reply on Craigs list about how you operate. What you did is bullshit....
WTF? This guy was incredibly nice on the phone, he's buying his mom a TV, etc, etc. Then he explodes! And what does he mean there was never talk of a friend... I told him that when he impatiently called asking if he got it! So I replied:

If I was torn between you and my friend before, I'm sure not now. Take it easy.

My friend is Nick Robertson. I've known him since age 4. We took swimming lessons together. He's totally clueless sometimes and hasn't called me in 2-3 weeks, but he's real.

The best offer I got besides yours was $700. You had the best offer, but it wasn't good enough. Once you dipped below $1000 I was starting to think $900 isn't worth it and I might as well just give it away.

Previously Nick (yes, "the other guy", being male), said he'd take it if I couldn't sell it, even though he has a tiny apartment and has no room for it. I told him he'd be better off with his current TV, but I'd keep him in mind. Whe he helped me move several weekends ago we had a miscommunication: he saw I'd put it on the garage to make it easier to move out, and he assumed that meant easier to move out for _him_ to move out. He thought I'd given up on the craigslist idea.

Meanwhile my fiance, who also hadn't talked to him in weeks, reminds me the other day to go try and sell that TV before this coming weekend, which is when Nick's renting a truck anyway to come get a futon and dining room table from me, which we're also ditching. So if I couldn't sell the TV before then, he'd also take the TV.

When I blogged the other day about selling my monstrous TV, Nick saw the post, emailed me and said, basically, "dude, I thought I was getting it... I just rearranged everything to make room for it." Then I felt guilty. I hadn't decided on selling it to you anyway because $900 wasn't that exciting and I was hoping for better offers.

But if I have the choice between giving it away stress-free or dealing with crazy people like you, I'm going to just give it away. $900 isn't worth it.

Again, sorry. And if I'm a liar, this story is pretty detailed.

Please send me a link to your craiglist rant about me. I'd like to share it with the world.

- Brad
Fucking craigslist. Wow. All it's good for is getting rid of free boxes and wheelbarrows. (and apparently anonymous sex with crazy people?)

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[User Picture]From: newscane
2006-01-10 07:10 am (UTC)
And if his Craigslist rant is anonymous, you can press charges...
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[User Picture]From: valiskeogh
2006-01-10 07:12 am (UTC)
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[User Picture]From: brad
2006-01-10 07:15 am (UTC)
I can't see if I'm mistyping this because I'm teared up laughing. :)
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From: duffey
2006-01-10 07:19 am (UTC)
The day someone makes a post about anonymous sex in a wheelbarrow with a crazy person who lives in a box is the day I reply and go for it.
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From: kristenpaige
2006-01-10 07:23 am (UTC)
Nice logical rebuttal.

I'm scared of Craigslist (and strangers in general) for this very reason.
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[User Picture]From: brad
2006-01-10 07:28 am (UTC)
He probably doesn't deserve such a long reply but I couldn't go letting him think I was lying to him. *shrug*
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[User Picture]From: chris
2006-01-10 07:31 am (UTC)
craigslist is such a blessing and a curse. I gave away a darkroom enlarger a couple weeks ago. I got someone straight away who wanted it from LJ so the CL ad wasn't even necessary, but I left it up in case the guy couldn't get it when i needed it out of the apt. So this one guy emailed me and then later called me (i'm never putting my number in an ad again) and left a really creepy message. the first call was early enough that it woke me up, and thats why i didn't answer it in time.

Later in the day he calls again and i told him flat out that it was probably already spoken for. he wanted some more info about it and pretty soon I realize its a minute or two later and he's still talking to me about it and there's no reason for the conversation to be happening, so I awkwardly tried to end it with "uh yeah, so its probably already taken", and even then he keeps talking and starts telling me about when he was in the navy and shit. I finally got him off the phone, even more awkwardly, and he leaves with some vague mention that I should call him either way if it gets taken. I've already decided I'm not talking to this guy ever again if I can help it.

anyway, the thing is gone almost a week ago and the post subsequently deleted, as soon as I could get to a computer after that. but the creepy dude calls me TODAY to ask about it. I'm like "no, its gone", as brusqely as I can. ok, hang up. he calls AGAIN a couple minutes later asking "hey out of curiosity did you ever find out if it was blah blah type like we talked about?"
me: "No."
him: "oh ok"
me: click
If Had had to say one more thing it would've been "Dont ever call this number again"
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[User Picture]From: mcfnord
2006-01-10 07:33 am (UTC)
Someone needs a hug.
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[User Picture]From: joshc
2006-01-10 07:33 am (UTC)
Did Dina actually tell him that "it was his" for his $900 offer? If so, I can see why he'd be angry. If not, I can see why you think he's crazy.
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[User Picture]From: brad
2006-01-10 07:39 am (UTC)
Apparently Dina told him "you'd have to talk to Brad, but we can probably work something out". Not sure what she actually said, but yeah --- if Dina said yes, I could see him being pissed.
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[User Picture]From: patrick
2006-01-10 07:39 am (UTC)
It definitely works for the anonymous sex from crazy people! Better than hookers!
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[User Picture]From: brad
2006-01-10 07:40 am (UTC)
TMI, patr0ck.
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[User Picture]From: pantsgolem
2006-01-10 07:44 am (UTC)
I wrote my final English paper this semester on Craigslist (the prompt being some social trend in relation to the book "The Tipping Point") and my thesis was basically "Craigslist is a big pile of crap yet somehow it's leagues better than anything else out there and I have no idea why." The highlight of the essay was when I included this post as a citation. This was probably around 6am the morning the paper was due. I got an A, to boot. So craigslist is also good for bizarre Mountain Dew-fueled community college essays.
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[User Picture]From: alfur
2006-01-10 09:11 am (UTC)
ha ha ha that's brilliant!
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[User Picture]From: erik
2006-01-10 07:47 am (UTC)
I agree with your own comment that your reply to him was unnecessarily long and unnecessarily polite. He's a fucking jerk, plain and simple. If something had come up, if you had had a better offer, anything... so what? This isn't exactly a signed contract.

I'll give you a perfect example: the other day this woman posted in the seattle community saying her husband had an Xbox 360 on reserve at a local store, but they got one already at Costco, and would anyone like to pay them back the down payment they put on it and go pick it up. I saw that there were no comments yet on her post, and I was looking at the post within like 2 minutes of her posting it, so I assumed no one had replied yet. I emailed her, and got no response. After a week there was still no reply, so I emailed her again and asked what was up. Still no response. I'm pretty damn sure I was the first person to get in touch, but I guess something else happened... maybe a friend of her said she wanted it. Maybe they decided to pick it up and resell it on eBay for a huge profit. Who knows... point is: I didn't get super-pissed over it and flame her. I just accepted it as the usual wishy-washy internet business and moved on. No biggie. There will be more opportunities.
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[User Picture]From: brad
2006-01-10 07:53 am (UTC)
This guy's probably angry because he was just going to resell it on eBay or something anyway and he's actually losing money he was hoping to make.
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[User Picture]From: j_rod
2006-01-10 07:56 am (UTC)

Well huh....


I'm drowning in his tears of woe from here.

Flagged, for your pleasure.
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[User Picture]From: brad
2006-01-10 08:00 am (UTC)

Re: Well huh....

Hah, thanks. :-)

Oh nos.... my craigslist reputation is going down! That'll hurt my thriving scamming business!
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[User Picture]From: scosol
2006-01-10 08:08 am (UTC)
> I don't know if this is your first time using
> craigs list

as fucked up as he sounds, he's right on eh?
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[User Picture]From: brad
2006-01-10 08:09 am (UTC)
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[User Picture]From: jameth
2006-01-10 08:17 am (UTC)
I would suggest an e-restraining order. I am an Internet lawyer and it would be my dream to help you pro bono. Let us not forget our beloved Mediacrat. May he bounce peacefully in a rubber room.
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[User Picture]From: brad
2006-01-10 08:22 am (UTC)
Heh. Thank you Internet lawyer!
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[User Picture]From: jwz
2006-01-10 08:18 am (UTC)
I think you should look in to this "anonymous sex with crazy people" angle, that might be a feature you'd want to add to LiveJournal.
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[User Picture]From: burr86
2006-01-10 08:27 am (UTC)
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[User Picture]From: warrend
2006-01-10 08:59 am (UTC)
I have had the same problem with craigslist, and at this point I don't even bother with it.

I have tried to sell music equipment on seattle.craigslist four or five times (amps, guitars, etc - the kind of items you think people would want to buy local and not have shipped).

All of the people I know who buy and sell gear said that craigslist was the way to go. If you have a $1,000 amp to sell, a music store might only give you $600 for it. So if I can sell it for $800 online, everyone wins. I get $200 more than I would selling it to the store, and the buyer pays $200 less than the store would charge for it. Plus, the buyer only has to drive a few blocks away from the store to get it from me anyhow, and I don't chare tax.

You would think this would be mutually benificial to both parties. I thought it would be be a sure thing, especially given the hard set nature of used gear prices (unlike other types of electronics, an older amp can fetch equal or greater than the price of a newer one - as compared to home theater equipment, which dives in price after six months or so).

Yeah. I got nothing but weirdos, foreign scammers and cheapskates ("Dude, would you sell me that $1,500 amp for $5?").

I have honestly had better luck buying and selling high-priced gear on eBay, even with the huge pain the ass of shipping. And you know what? That scares me.
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