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Virtual gifts; the corniest feature ever.... [Feb. 10th, 2006|09:58 pm]
Brad Fitzpatrick
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The diverse reactions amuse me:


We flat-out announce that it's the corniest feature ever, and then people complain, telling us it's the corniest feature ever. So do we win? :-)

I wish people understood how trivial developing crap like this is compared to all the boring projects nobody ever sees. Sometimes we need to just do something quick and dumb as a team for fun.

Some other quick hacks people might actually care about, though....

-- OPML export
-- vCard export (single user, or entire friend group/list)
-- draft support (if browser closes/crashes during writing a post, it recovers later)
-- good rich text editor (FCKEditor)
-- ....

From: duffey
2006-02-11 06:41 am (UTC)
Brad I hope you know I'm making it my goal to get more Valentine's Day gifts than you!

Also the reactions are pretty much what I thought they'd be :(
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[User Picture]From: burr86
2006-02-11 06:45 am (UTC)
I thought that the reactions to this would be as negative/angry as Nudge, actually. But instead everyone (myself included!) is going going "awwwww, these are so cute!!!!" :D

Nice work. :)
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[User Picture]From: dakus
2006-02-11 06:50 am (UTC)
draft support!! YAY!!!
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[User Picture]From: dpb
2006-02-11 06:51 am (UTC)
I think it is safe to say there are no changes that can be made to the site that won't make people upset.

I think adding comments and music many years ago were the last time people were all happy and there weren't enough to bitch and moan!
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[User Picture]From: erik
2006-02-11 07:06 am (UTC)


Do you call this the "Fuck Editor?"
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[User Picture]From: notbrainsurgery
2006-02-11 07:15 am (UTC)


Some people might care about quick hacks if they are done right. For example OPML export
is something many people have been waiting for. But there are bunch of problems with the one you mentioned:

1. It return content-type of 'text/plain'.
2. http://validator.opml.org/ gives bunch of errors on it
3. it does not give auth=digest option for included RSS feeds, so friends-only records are excluded
4. I would prefer ATOM, not RSS 2.0 links instead.

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[User Picture]From: brad
2006-02-11 07:26 am (UTC)


1. so what should the content-type be? The spec is useless.

2. validator.opml.org is also useless, and beta. where does any spec say what those "type" fields should be? and version? and htmlUrl vs xmlUrl? where is ANY of this fucking defined? the top search result is a 500 error.

3. friends-only records? what friends-only records? it's a list of your feeds. that's all public. it explicitly does NOT require auth so you can have a URL you can give to other sites and programs that suck it down without auth.

4. I figured since OPML is a shitty ill-defined Dave Winer format, RSS seemed fitting. I could make a "format=atom" argument, though.

Point me to some good docs on this OPML Reading List format, and it's easy, but it seems that there actually isn't a spec.... just attribute soup.
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[User Picture]From: notbrainsurgery
2006-02-11 07:42 am (UTC)


I also do not have very high esteem for OPML as a format. But it seems it is only common way to easily move your RSS subscription lists around...

Let me try to answer your questions to the best of my knowledge:

1. Content type is not mentioned in the spec, but I guess text/xml would be better than text/plain

2. I've seen people putting type='RSS' for RSS feeds.

3. I use OPML to import feeds of my friends RSS feeds to my desktop RSS aggregator to read them there. I would like to have friends-only records visible to me there. Perhaps that should be option.

P.S. Have you seen: http://hacks.atrus.org/ljroll/
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From: node
2006-02-11 07:56 am (UTC)


The spec says that too, but the implementation it lists returns either tex/x-opml (if the client has the right Accept: header), or text/html. Why can't their server return text/xml?!

(Google Reader exports OPML data as text/xml.)

I'd like atom links, too. Also, can you separate out communities from users, placing them in different outlines?

signed, a needy user.
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[User Picture]From: edm
2006-02-11 08:14 am (UTC)


FWIW Dave Winer apparently managed to break all his older links yesterday by switching over the content/OMPL engine that he was using. That may possibly explain the issue with 500 error you're seeing on a top search result.

This message (syndicated from Scripting News -- Dave Winer's blog):


from earlier today mentions the issue.

Not that that necessarily helps you with OPML specs all that much as I suspect the format is at least in part still defined by the existing implementations. Dave Winer appears to be actively reimplementing things for his own sites at present though so possibly some more clarity might come out of that. And/or you could email him and ask and it'd hopefully be fresh in his mind.

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From: node
2006-02-11 07:40 am (UTC)

Two things.

Is there a list of tools out there? I only found out about the recent comments tool, for example, when someone told me about it. Unlike most pages on the site, http://www.livejournal.com/tools/ doesn't show anything useful.

I'll post the second one in another comment so you can delete it.

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[User Picture]From: lakeguy
2006-02-11 07:54 am (UTC)
people would complain even if you gave away paid accounts.
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From: jamesd
2006-02-11 08:13 am (UTC)
You win corniest prize. :) I did wonder if it might be practical to have conditional real flower delivery with LiveJournal or the delivery place beng told the delivery address but not the original sender. A way to send physical flowers without knowing their address.

Any chance of OPML being moved to the username.livejournal.com tree so it's automatically covered by the user's robots choice? Same for the other extractors on the robots page would be nice.
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From: ext_3891
2006-02-11 08:14 am (UTC)


Is it possible to get a birthdays vCalender file (like the ones used by Thunderbird and iCal) with my friends birthdays?

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[User Picture]From: iseebi
2006-02-11 08:39 am (UTC)
Haha I think it's cute!
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[User Picture]From: calliste
2006-02-11 11:09 am (UTC)
Thank you for the corny roses anyway!
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[User Picture]From: xaotica
2006-02-11 05:53 pm (UTC)

i would have much love for the vcard
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[User Picture]From: shanana
2006-02-12 03:14 am (UTC)
I thought it was super corny, then I saw one on my userpage, and I was like, who would send me those? thanks :P I like it.
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From: divelog
2006-02-13 07:00 pm (UTC)


How did you guys decide on FCKEditor? We're evaluating editors like this constantly....
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