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12:00 noon, 12:00 midnight [Apr. 27th, 2007|12:23 pm]
Brad Fitzpatrick
One of my Top 10 pet peeves, up there with people writing it's when they mean its, is people not understanding the difference between 12:00 am and 12:00 pm. But with 12a/12p, I've largely given up and have been known to be heard bitching that we should admit failure as a society and transition away from the "a" and "p" suffixes to something less ambigious.

So imagine my surprise when I saw this today on my itinerary: (!)
SERVICE               DATE  FROM           TO             DEPART  ARRIVE
UNITED AIRLINES       30APR SEATTLE WA     SAN FRANCIS CA 955A    1200N
UA 729               MONDAY SEATTLE TACOMA INTL
W ECONOMY                   AIRCRAFT:      BOEING 737-300
Nice.
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[User Picture]From: xb95
2007-04-27 07:36 pm (UTC)
Yeah, but is that 12 at Noon or 12 at Night? Seeing a non-standard designation would be confusing - but then, I don't fuck up 12a/12p.
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[User Picture]From: dottey
2007-04-27 07:53 pm (UTC)
that was my first thought too! I am sure it means noon, but it could just as easily mean night.

I'd be up for a change to 24-hour clocks.
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From: (Anonymous)
2007-04-27 08:54 pm (UTC)
duh you nerds are making much ado
it would be 12 at Noon
or
12 at MIDNIGHT
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[User Picture]From: jgrafton
2007-04-27 07:37 pm (UTC)
My larger pet peeve is when someone refers to "midnight on Friday" - it's unclear whether that means Thursday night at 11:59:59pm + 1s or 12:00:00am Friday morning.

Often people avoid this ambiguity by using 11:59pm or 12:01am, though.
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[User Picture]From: brad
2007-04-27 07:37 pm (UTC)
I see that often on city signs (11:59 or 12:01).
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[User Picture]From: ckd
2007-04-27 07:42 pm (UTC)
This is why I prefer using 24-hour time and having Thursday 2400 = Friday 0000.

That way you can say that something is in effect from 1800-2400 weekdays, or 0000-0300, or whatever and have it be unambiguous.
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[User Picture]From: chasethestars
2007-04-27 07:53 pm (UTC)
That bugs me too.

Comedy Central says "Saturday nights at 1am"...
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[User Picture]From: doubleyou
2007-04-27 07:46 pm (UTC)

awesome

Could it be, a good and simple idea has percolated up through layers of red tape and bureaucracy?

But yeah, it's this very point of confusion that makes me wish we could eliminiate AM/PM in favor of 24-hour time.
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From: (Anonymous)
2007-04-27 07:57 pm (UTC)
in Japan we mostly use 24 hours notation in writings to make it less ambiguous, while we still say am/pm thing in speech.
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[User Picture]From: bulknews
2007-04-27 10:10 pm (UTC)
Somehow I made an annoymous comment ... but that's me :)
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[User Picture]From: xaotica
2007-04-27 11:30 pm (UTC)

it seems like most european countries do this too. i really liked it when i was travelling. it helped me a lot because i didn't know the language in most of the countries, so having the time that way on signs was great!
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[User Picture]From: hellarad
2007-04-27 08:07 pm (UTC)
you're coming to seattle?
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[User Picture]From: brad
2007-04-27 08:28 pm (UTC)
Yup, in a few hours.
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[User Picture]From: dpb
2007-04-27 09:58 pm (UTC)
Any good get togethers?
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[User Picture]From: beckyzoole
2007-04-27 10:08 pm (UTC)
I like it.
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From: (Anonymous)
2007-04-27 11:31 pm (UTC)
Lets rethink English language now.
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[User Picture]From: scosol
2007-04-29 12:41 am (UTC)
yeah- really nice :)
remember my bitchfest when i went to sign up for a perm acct on the *wrong day* because of the "12AM" shit?

yeah- anyone can laugh at me if they want, but to me it works like "large number + PM = nighttime -> small number + PM = sunshine"
and vice-versa

what- i have to make an exception for 12?
because... it's the magical number 12?
FUCK OFF, CONVENTION
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