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GMail Spam [Apr. 22nd, 2008|08:47 am]
Brad Fitzpatrick
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GMail's anti-spam seems completely ineffective. This is what I woke up to this morning, after 8 hours of sleep:

7 messages I care about (only 1, really, but 6 I'll glance at), and 18 spams.

I was doing better when I was running my own mail server. :( If I look at the headers of these emails, a good number come from home DHCP users. My rule on my mail server, with a few false positives, was that sending email from IPs that reversed as home ISPs just wasn't allowed. Spam went to almost zero.

Also lols on how many of these messages have headers like:

X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true

Good job. I hope that header was faked and not actually IronPort's bragging.

What to do? I really hate mail.

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[User Picture]From: dan_lane
2008-04-22 03:59 pm (UTC)
I have a couple of friends who use spamarrest.com
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[User Picture]From: octal
2008-04-22 03:59 pm (UTC)
blacklisting has failed.

whitelisting is the Way Forward. There are market solutions, or just tmda. I'm doing tmda now, plus a good whitelist, plus spf.
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From: baudehlo
2008-04-22 04:06 pm (UTC)

TMDA is abuse

Sorry, but can I PLEASE urge people not to use TMDA. The idea of spamming all the poor innocent spoofed From addresses in spam with your "did you send this?" emails is just WRONG. Braindead wrong. The author of TMDA should be ashamed of himself.
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[User Picture]From: sandy
2008-04-22 04:01 pm (UTC)

Spam here too

Yea, something must have changed with Google mail, because this is the first time I have ever gotten this stuff since moving our mail. I too woke up to a bunch, mostly foreign, junk mail.
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[User Picture]From: avva
2008-04-22 04:02 pm (UTC)
It's doing much much better if messages are sent directly to your gmail account, than if they're forwarded. I don't know why (well, I know some of it, but it doesn't explain such a huge difference).
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[User Picture]From: brad
2008-04-22 04:34 pm (UTC)
They're going straight to Google. Check my DNS.

And I verified in the headers that it's not going through mail.danga.com.
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[User Picture]From: e_richard
2008-04-22 04:04 pm (UTC)
This is exactly why I stopped using Gmail after such a promising start.
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From: baudehlo
2008-04-22 04:08 pm (UTC)

Gmail's filters just aren't very good

In fact I've always been confused why people think they are so great. I've always had LOADS of spam in my inbox on gmail.

But then I refuse to train it myself. You don't install an anti-virus product and expect to teach it what is a virus, so I don't expect to have to teach gmail what is spam.
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From: saccovanzetti
2008-04-22 04:47 pm (UTC)

Re: Gmail's filters just aren't very good

I refuse to train it myself

How do you train it, other that pressing "Report spam" button instead of "Delete", which takes the same amount of effort ?

(Reporting spam really works in Gmail)
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[User Picture]From: fweebles
2008-04-22 04:42 pm (UTC)
I just...don't have that problem with GMail. Looking at my inbox right now, I have zero spam. And I haven't moved anything out or filtered it automatically or anything.

Now, half of the email that comes to my GMail comes through a university alumni forwarding service that (I believe) runs spamassassin, but the other half comes straight in, so it's not like my GMail address isn't "out there" or anything.

I'm not sure what the difference is. I'm sure your e-mail address is more out there than mine, but still, I have 262 spam e-mails in my "Spam" Gmail folder and none in actual mail folders. Odd.
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[User Picture]From: brad
2008-04-22 05:10 pm (UTC)
262 messages in your Spam email box? Nice. I have 15,474.
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From: ext_61378
2008-04-22 04:58 pm (UTC)

Very few problems here

I must admit I did have one spam enter my inbox earlier today, but apart from that it seems to be highly effective at filtering.

My only problem with Gmail is that it tends to put certain mails from mailing lists into the spam folder.
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From: evan
2008-04-22 05:13 pm (UTC)
I get a bunch of spam (less than you) but I've always blamed it on @danga.com forwarding confusing gmail. If you're not doing that, then I guess you're doomed. You could probably bring it up on an internal list.
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[User Picture]From: avva
2008-04-22 07:27 pm (UTC)
I'd echo that suggestion.
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From: phatduckk
2008-04-22 05:18 pm (UTC)
I loath email. mostly due to the insane amount of SPAM I used to get. I switched my personal domain to use Yahoo's "personal address" service and things got a lot better... my spam went down from 20+ a day to about 6.

Fuzz's mail server's been getting a ton of spam lately too. It doesnt help that im on the distro list for everything (support, questions etc).
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[User Picture]From: dieplz
2008-04-22 05:32 pm (UTC)
I get quite a lot of spam. In a typical week, only a handful of messages (2-3) get missed by the filtering, but in the last 24 hours I've had at least 10 or 15 make it through to my inbox. Either it was a busy Monday for spammers or somebody is messing with the filtering.
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From: docjeff
2008-04-22 05:35 pm (UTC)
Best email service on the planet More filters than you can shake a stick at - really.
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From: cjensen
2008-04-22 05:37 pm (UTC)
My non-gmail email address has only received five spams this month despite my address being all over the net since the early 1990s. I'm mystified as to what I'm doing right. I use imap clients which don't load images by default instead of webmail clients, which may be helping.
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[User Picture]From: martyshin
2008-04-22 05:42 pm (UTC)
try www.mail.ru
i have no spam. really
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From: seeds_of_peace
2008-04-22 05:57 pm (UTC)
I had about 6-7 sneak in.. looks like there's been a breakthrough in spam-bypass abilities
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